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		<title>By: Melisandralysastrada</title>
		<link>http://blog.hisnameistimmy.com/burning-man-our-review/12#comment-86454</link>
		<dc:creator>Melisandralysastrada</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 02:41:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seems to me the whole point of BM is self expression, art if you will, without reservation. To create something whether others &quot;get it&quot; or not, to get it out into the world. Kudos BM.

It also seems to me that Pat and Tim have done just that. They created their piece with their words, whether you liked what they said or not. They created something and put it out into the world. Kudos you guys. 

And to the &quot;Burners&quot; that have ranted against Pat and Tim because of their art piece I can only say, you are the ones that didn&#039;t get &quot;it&quot; or the whole point of BM, and... 
well... 
Heil Hippie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems to me the whole point of BM is self expression, art if you will, without reservation. To create something whether others &#8220;get it&#8221; or not, to get it out into the world. Kudos BM.</p>
<p>It also seems to me that Pat and Tim have done just that. They created their piece with their words, whether you liked what they said or not. They created something and put it out into the world. Kudos you guys. </p>
<p>And to the &#8220;Burners&#8221; that have ranted against Pat and Tim because of their art piece I can only say, you are the ones that didn&#8217;t get &#8220;it&#8221; or the whole point of BM, and&#8230;<br />
well&#8230;<br />
Heil Hippie.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Demma</title>
		<link>http://blog.hisnameistimmy.com/burning-man-our-review/12#comment-36232</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Demma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 06:16:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(Trying again, bad perl ate my comments)

I&#039;ve been to BM a few times and have to say I&#039;ve had some good times and I&#039;ve had some really bad times.  It isn&#039;t at all uncommon for people to simply not have a good time there, and I wouldn&#039;t say it isn&#039;t because they don&#039;t &#039;get it&#039; but it just isn&#039;t their thing.  Myself, I can&#039;t stand pre-planned holidays with tour guides and what not, while most people would.  I have to admit, as a Systems Administrator, one of the big attractions to me is quite frankly being in a place where no one can possibly page me or call me.  For a lot of people being taken out of that structured world for a while is really nice, but I don&#039;t necessarily want everything done for me.  But I can totally see the logic in thinking &quot;I&#039;m on holiday, I paid good money, I want clean towels and good food served to me.&quot;   Unlike some of the cults you talked about, I think most burners would have at least warned you about a lot of the stuff that troubled you and warned you its definitely an acquired taste.  Yes, its really bloody hot, no, don&#039;t expect a concierge to have a bellboy come fetch your things ... and mostly that its very very participatory.  Just if you were the only person not nude at a nudist camp or the only one not golfing at the golf club, you are gonna be bored out of your mind if you don&#039;t want to participate in any way and expect to sit back and be entertained because you paid money.  It just doesn&#039;t work like that.  

I think its great that you wrote this cause it way better for people to figure out that BM isn&#039;t their thing before they&#039;ve trekked all the way out there and it not be what they expected because all they&#039;ve heard is &#039;OMG it&#039;s life changing amazing&quot; a zillion times but never heard (or don&#039;t pay attention to) &quot;did I mention Playa dust gets in your everything and everyone out there is a FREAK!&quot;.  One thing I would have advised you ahead of time, and for everyone going the first time is to NOT try to go the whole week but rather come out on Thursday or Friday.  If you can, try to join up with people who have gone before so they can advise you about some of the things that will make life REALLY miserable.   Then you can find out if its something you like or not and if you want to come back for a full week next time.  

That said, I do think you went overboard with a lot of the personal attacks on people.   The checkin process seemed chaotic to you.  Fair enough, valid observation.  Some of the other stuff, like the ball torture ... well I know you were joking (hopefully) but ya know... we&#039;ve all had a worse time with airport checkin... but you know what I mean here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(Trying again, bad perl ate my comments)</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been to BM a few times and have to say I&#8217;ve had some good times and I&#8217;ve had some really bad times.  It isn&#8217;t at all uncommon for people to simply not have a good time there, and I wouldn&#8217;t say it isn&#8217;t because they don&#8217;t &#8216;get it&#8217; but it just isn&#8217;t their thing.  Myself, I can&#8217;t stand pre-planned holidays with tour guides and what not, while most people would.  I have to admit, as a Systems Administrator, one of the big attractions to me is quite frankly being in a place where no one can possibly page me or call me.  For a lot of people being taken out of that structured world for a while is really nice, but I don&#8217;t necessarily want everything done for me.  But I can totally see the logic in thinking &#8220;I&#8217;m on holiday, I paid good money, I want clean towels and good food served to me.&#8221;   Unlike some of the cults you talked about, I think most burners would have at least warned you about a lot of the stuff that troubled you and warned you its definitely an acquired taste.  Yes, its really bloody hot, no, don&#8217;t expect a concierge to have a bellboy come fetch your things &#8230; and mostly that its very very participatory.  Just if you were the only person not nude at a nudist camp or the only one not golfing at the golf club, you are gonna be bored out of your mind if you don&#8217;t want to participate in any way and expect to sit back and be entertained because you paid money.  It just doesn&#8217;t work like that.  </p>
<p>I think its great that you wrote this cause it way better for people to figure out that BM isn&#8217;t their thing before they&#8217;ve trekked all the way out there and it not be what they expected because all they&#8217;ve heard is &#8216;OMG it&#8217;s life changing amazing&#8221; a zillion times but never heard (or don&#8217;t pay attention to) &#8220;did I mention Playa dust gets in your everything and everyone out there is a FREAK!&#8221;.  One thing I would have advised you ahead of time, and for everyone going the first time is to NOT try to go the whole week but rather come out on Thursday or Friday.  If you can, try to join up with people who have gone before so they can advise you about some of the things that will make life REALLY miserable.   Then you can find out if its something you like or not and if you want to come back for a full week next time.  </p>
<p>That said, I do think you went overboard with a lot of the personal attacks on people.   The checkin process seemed chaotic to you.  Fair enough, valid observation.  Some of the other stuff, like the ball torture &#8230; well I know you were joking (hopefully) but ya know&#8230; we&#8217;ve all had a worse time with airport checkin&#8230; but you know what I mean here.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Demma</title>
		<link>http://blog.hisnameistimmy.com/burning-man-our-review/12#comment-36228</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Demma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 06:13:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I\&#039;ve been to BM a few times and have to say I\&#039;ve had some good times and I\&#039;ve had some really bad times.  It isn\&#039;t at all uncommon for people to simply not have a good time there, and I wouldn\&#039;t say it isn\&#039;t because they don\&#039;t \&#039;get it\&#039; but it just isn\&#039;t their thing.  Myself, I can\&#039;t stand pre-planned holidays with tour guides and what not, while most people would.  I have to admit, as a Systems Administrator, one of the big attractions to me is quite frankly being in a place where no one can possibly page me or call me.  For a lot of people being taken out of that structured world for a while is really nice, but I don\&#039;t necessarily want everything done for me.  But I can totally see the logic in thinking \</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I\&#8217;ve been to BM a few times and have to say I\&#8217;ve had some good times and I\&#8217;ve had some really bad times.  It isn\&#8217;t at all uncommon for people to simply not have a good time there, and I wouldn\&#8217;t say it isn\&#8217;t because they don\&#8217;t \&#8217;get it\&#8217; but it just isn\&#8217;t their thing.  Myself, I can\&#8217;t stand pre-planned holidays with tour guides and what not, while most people would.  I have to admit, as a Systems Administrator, one of the big attractions to me is quite frankly being in a place where no one can possibly page me or call me.  For a lot of people being taken out of that structured world for a while is really nice, but I don\&#8217;t necessarily want everything done for me.  But I can totally see the logic in thinking \</p>
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		<title>By: Sovaan</title>
		<link>http://blog.hisnameistimmy.com/burning-man-our-review/12#comment-32902</link>
		<dc:creator>Sovaan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 19:52:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your description of Burning Man sounds pretty much how I&#039;ve imagined it, which is why I haven&#039;t gone to it.  I&#039;d actually like more information about the $75 weekend campouts you mentioned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your description of Burning Man sounds pretty much how I&#8217;ve imagined it, which is why I haven&#8217;t gone to it.  I&#8217;d actually like more information about the $75 weekend campouts you mentioned.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://blog.hisnameistimmy.com/burning-man-our-review/12#comment-21097</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 00:40:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Patrick, 

well written and deservedly acerbic. I only went twice for the past 2 years and can not but agree with your comments regarding the whiteness of the event, fashion fascists and a somewhat fleeting and unfortunately shallow way how most social encounters can go. 

Your comments about it being run by thugs are appropriate as I volunteered to man the radar which the organizers use to direct their punk chase vehicles to catch unfortunate hippies trying to sneak in through the desert. After an intercept the kiddie would be taunted and restrained   followed by being forced to lie on the cold desert. Mind you this was NOT the police but what I call the Burningman militia force that protects the Bm revenue i.e. ticket sales. Most of the unsurprisingly were white males in their 30s. The BLM police was their big buddies and it was scary how friendly the thugs are with the police. Internally Burningman is run like a paramilitary high-tech bootcamp with radio stations, radar and a rigid command structure enforced by some seriously scary drunk and high punks. It was unfortunate how reminiscent it was of outside America or of where America might be heading.    

Furthermore the depravities of excessive wealth are simply stunning e.g. rich google fucks had a cache of champagnes flown in by a helicopter on my shift. So hooray, let&#039;s drink cooled champagne while Doctors without Borders collects money to support a cold chain to vaccinate against polio in Africa. Such contrasts. 

Keep on writing, patrick.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Patrick, </p>
<p>well written and deservedly acerbic. I only went twice for the past 2 years and can not but agree with your comments regarding the whiteness of the event, fashion fascists and a somewhat fleeting and unfortunately shallow way how most social encounters can go. </p>
<p>Your comments about it being run by thugs are appropriate as I volunteered to man the radar which the organizers use to direct their punk chase vehicles to catch unfortunate hippies trying to sneak in through the desert. After an intercept the kiddie would be taunted and restrained   followed by being forced to lie on the cold desert. Mind you this was NOT the police but what I call the Burningman militia force that protects the Bm revenue i.e. ticket sales. Most of the unsurprisingly were white males in their 30s. The BLM police was their big buddies and it was scary how friendly the thugs are with the police. Internally Burningman is run like a paramilitary high-tech bootcamp with radio stations, radar and a rigid command structure enforced by some seriously scary drunk and high punks. It was unfortunate how reminiscent it was of outside America or of where America might be heading.    </p>
<p>Furthermore the depravities of excessive wealth are simply stunning e.g. rich google fucks had a cache of champagnes flown in by a helicopter on my shift. So hooray, let&#8217;s drink cooled champagne while Doctors without Borders collects money to support a cold chain to vaccinate against polio in Africa. Such contrasts. </p>
<p>Keep on writing, patrick.</p>
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		<title>By: Ned Bandershot</title>
		<link>http://blog.hisnameistimmy.com/burning-man-our-review/12#comment-20742</link>
		<dc:creator>Ned Bandershot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 04:17:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like your review but once you determined everyone was a mean bully and you became intimidated by them you then grafted onto then the personas of NASCAR fans and &quot;red staters&quot;. Evidently once the crowd revealed themselves to be dicks you could only view them as republicans. I have a news flash for you as a republican - we wouldnt go to burning man - ever - and for all the reasons YOU mentioned. You saw all your &quot;progressive&quot; compatriots in their totally unfettered glory and they were ugly, course, crude, scary and racially intolerant in ways that ran counter to the dogmas you all share about yourselves - that doesnt make them friends of MINE it makes them all yours sans pretense - own &#039;em baby.

&lt;strong&gt;Reply from Patrick:

Your point is well made. I agree that the average &quot;blue&quot; state honky is seldom any more tolerant than the average &quot;red&quot; state honky. The difference is that the San Franciscans live in a bubble of pretend tolerance, so they pretend to be tolerant until you get them in the wild, then WATCH OUT. Of course, if you are from the red state Hate Belt, you can wear your disgust for non-whites, queers and Hillary on your sleeve. I guess, technically, that makes red staters less pretentious. 

That said, I&#039;ll admit that I was never comfortable with blaming red staters for the travesty that is Burning Man, so I retract that allegation. I WILL blame them for putting a dick like George W. in office who has probably done more damage to our country then any American president—starting a trillion dollar war based on lies, recording all our phone calls and e-mails, ignoring the Constitution and legalizing torture. All this, and almost 50% of red staters still support this buffoon. I do blame you red state dickheads for electing a reckless fratboy C- student to the most powerful job in the world, just because he pretended to support your goal to impose some Christian version of sharia law on the rest of us. How did you cousin-fucking idiots think Bush could do a better job than McCain as president? &lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like your review but once you determined everyone was a mean bully and you became intimidated by them you then grafted onto then the personas of NASCAR fans and &#8220;red staters&#8221;. Evidently once the crowd revealed themselves to be dicks you could only view them as republicans. I have a news flash for you as a republican &#8211; we wouldnt go to burning man &#8211; ever &#8211; and for all the reasons YOU mentioned. You saw all your &#8220;progressive&#8221; compatriots in their totally unfettered glory and they were ugly, course, crude, scary and racially intolerant in ways that ran counter to the dogmas you all share about yourselves &#8211; that doesnt make them friends of MINE it makes them all yours sans pretense &#8211; own &#8216;em baby.</p>
<p><strong>Reply from Patrick:</p>
<p>Your point is well made. I agree that the average &#8220;blue&#8221; state honky is seldom any more tolerant than the average &#8220;red&#8221; state honky. The difference is that the San Franciscans live in a bubble of pretend tolerance, so they pretend to be tolerant until you get them in the wild, then WATCH OUT. Of course, if you are from the red state Hate Belt, you can wear your disgust for non-whites, queers and Hillary on your sleeve. I guess, technically, that makes red staters less pretentious. </p>
<p>That said, I&#8217;ll admit that I was never comfortable with blaming red staters for the travesty that is Burning Man, so I retract that allegation. I WILL blame them for putting a dick like George W. in office who has probably done more damage to our country then any American president—starting a trillion dollar war based on lies, recording all our phone calls and e-mails, ignoring the Constitution and legalizing torture. All this, and almost 50% of red staters still support this buffoon. I do blame you red state dickheads for electing a reckless fratboy C- student to the most powerful job in the world, just because he pretended to support your goal to impose some Christian version of sharia law on the rest of us. How did you cousin-fucking idiots think Bush could do a better job than McCain as president? </strong></p>
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		<title>By: sUNDAY tRAFFIC jAM</title>
		<link>http://blog.hisnameistimmy.com/burning-man-our-review/12#comment-18376</link>
		<dc:creator>sUNDAY tRAFFIC jAM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2007 07:46:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There was a huge traffic jam, NOT EMPTY ROADS, at 3am Sun.  YOu weren&#039;t even there.

This whole thing was made up Hunter Thompson style, cobbled from other&#039;s old saws.

&lt;strong&gt;Tim replies:

Did you bother to check the date of the review? It&#039;s for 2006, not 2007.  

Put down the crack pipe and step away from the keyboard. Hippie. &lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was a huge traffic jam, NOT EMPTY ROADS, at 3am Sun.  YOu weren&#8217;t even there.</p>
<p>This whole thing was made up Hunter Thompson style, cobbled from other&#8217;s old saws.</p>
<p><strong>Tim replies:</p>
<p>Did you bother to check the date of the review? It&#8217;s for 2006, not 2007.  </p>
<p>Put down the crack pipe and step away from the keyboard. Hippie. </strong></p>
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		<title>By: burning</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2007 06:58:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim you are great! This was a very well written posting that hopefully will expose BM for the scam that it is. I would encourage you to get further into writing as you my friend have a way with words as many on the playa have their way with intoxicated females. Don\&#039;t listen to the idiot cult followers who are bad mouthing you. These are the same people who actually think they aren\&#039;t making any money off the whole scam. Wild west snake oil salesmen would envy such a shakedown \</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim you are great! This was a very well written posting that hopefully will expose BM for the scam that it is. I would encourage you to get further into writing as you my friend have a way with words as many on the playa have their way with intoxicated females. Don\&#8217;t listen to the idiot cult followers who are bad mouthing you. These are the same people who actually think they aren\&#8217;t making any money off the whole scam. Wild west snake oil salesmen would envy such a shakedown \</p>
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		<title>By: Emily Sandstrom</title>
		<link>http://blog.hisnameistimmy.com/burning-man-our-review/12#comment-18369</link>
		<dc:creator>Emily Sandstrom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2007 03:13:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AND...

To address all of the comments suggesting to camp with others and pool your resources and so on for a better experience, DON&#039;T BUY IT! We camped with incredible people, one of which was the Fire Chief of Black Rock City. They made us hot meals and escorted us around the playa in a pathfinder. We still wouldn&#039;t go again unless someone held a gun to our heads.</description>
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<p>To address all of the comments suggesting to camp with others and pool your resources and so on for a better experience, DON&#8217;T BUY IT! We camped with incredible people, one of which was the Fire Chief of Black Rock City. They made us hot meals and escorted us around the playa in a pathfinder. We still wouldn&#8217;t go again unless someone held a gun to our heads.</p>
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		<title>By: Emily Sandstrom</title>
		<link>http://blog.hisnameistimmy.com/burning-man-our-review/12#comment-18367</link>
		<dc:creator>Emily Sandstrom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2007 02:41:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

You ARE a genius, Tim. 

After hearing, &quot;You HAVE to go to Burning Man,&quot; for so many years from anyone who&#039;s ever gone, I was beginning to think that I was crazy for feeling like I just escaped hell after driving home from Black Rock City yesterday.

The only fun I had the whole week was laughing at the insanely ridiculous bizzaro land circumstances of the event with my friend, April, to kill the pain.

Oh, and I am also not a &quot;prude.&quot; I grew up in Arcata (Humboldt), am a hippie at heart, and a graphic designer/artist, who likes to party and goes to Reggae on the River every year. I thought Burning Man was meant for people like me. You&#039;re right...it&#039;s meant for bikers and bullies. We should have known when the first people we saw at the front gate made us turn to each other and say in unison, &quot;Holy shit. Deliverance.&quot; (That&#039;s a reference to the film for those of you who don&#039;t know.)

You wrote a perfect account of Burning Man, and hit on every freaky aspect that we observed and discussed during our trip home. I only wish I found your review earlier. Thank you for confirming our sanity.

Thank you. Thank you. THANK YOU.

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<p>You ARE a genius, Tim. </p>
<p>After hearing, &#8220;You HAVE to go to Burning Man,&#8221; for so many years from anyone who&#8217;s ever gone, I was beginning to think that I was crazy for feeling like I just escaped hell after driving home from Black Rock City yesterday.</p>
<p>The only fun I had the whole week was laughing at the insanely ridiculous bizzaro land circumstances of the event with my friend, April, to kill the pain.</p>
<p>Oh, and I am also not a &#8220;prude.&#8221; I grew up in Arcata (Humboldt), am a hippie at heart, and a graphic designer/artist, who likes to party and goes to Reggae on the River every year. I thought Burning Man was meant for people like me. You&#8217;re right&#8230;it&#8217;s meant for bikers and bullies. We should have known when the first people we saw at the front gate made us turn to each other and say in unison, &#8220;Holy shit. Deliverance.&#8221; (That&#8217;s a reference to the film for those of you who don&#8217;t know.)</p>
<p>You wrote a perfect account of Burning Man, and hit on every freaky aspect that we observed and discussed during our trip home. I only wish I found your review earlier. Thank you for confirming our sanity.</p>
<p>Thank you. Thank you. THANK YOU.</p>
<p>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++</p>
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